Curse

Still Number One · Oct 20, 2010, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by tormtk

As already stated the game is old. Most competitive groups have already left the game. What is left in the game is small groups of pvpers, pvers, and mixed. the key word is small groups. I would guess 90% of the games guilds have 3-10 active members at most. Over the years more pvpers have left the game leaving most of these small groups as pve groups. There are lots of people out there that wanna pvp, but they are in guilds/ alliances w/o the intrest. The problem lies in that these people who would take the leap to join your cuase wont take the leap to leave the friend ( guild) they have been in for years. I am in the same situation. I just recently came back to the game and after finishing my HoM will probably do nothing but PvP, however my alliance is mainly PvE and I wont leave so I'll be stuck with RA and the occasionally HA. GvG takes time to be descent. Time for pvp is just not really high on people list right now. Once HoM rush has passed more will be in GvG. To attempt to rebuild that aspect of the game to what it was is admirable, its just not feasible.

On a good note Anet is aware of the things they did right and wrong in PvP in GW. I am expecting very high things from GW2 on the pvp side.

I can attest to this being an extremely common case, as I too went through it. I joined a guild because I wanted to GvG (I was originally just guildless playing PvE and watching Obs). They were in Shing Jea Monastery saying that they wanted to start up GvG. Within a week I took the initiative to start a GvG team with the most active members of that guild and we played about 4 days out of the week. Eventually activity dropped and one of our best players (GvGers should know Skittles from GG) left. I should have followed suit and left with him, but I was loyal to those guys because I was the one allowing them to GvG.

When I finally did leave is when I started to improve and eventually had the most fun in Guild Wars I ever had. I moved from barely rank 800 PvX guild to a rank 400 mid-tier guild that battled guilds like GeAr every single night. Once again though my guild became inactive and I was forced to leave my friends behind and join a new guild.

With a new guild came a new opportunity. I joined a pretty good American guild that AT'd on a regular basis and was at a level I had never played at before. I got in because of connections I made at mid tier GvG play. 2 months after joining I helped them win a bronze trim. Yea its only bronze but it was my first, so I was proud. Unfortunately we disbanded after a month and instead of moving on and finding a new guild I just quit.

I look at the game now and people I used to play with at lower levels have endured and are now Past winners of mAT's. I used to play with Skittles back when we were both just learning to warrior. He kept playing and kept pushing through the inactivity and eventually won a gold trim. I used to play against GeAr on a nightly basis, and we probably won more than we lost. In the end GeAr has won gold trims and the best I've done was a bronze trim on a "bitch bar".

But I don't regret it. Leaving those inactive guilds was the best thing I ever did. I wanted to GvG, and by leaving them I got to. Maybe my story doesn't have a Magical Happy ending of achieving the highest of rewards, but people I know did. And I met some great people along the way, and am proud to have played with them.

Basically if you want something, you have to take the plunge. You just have to go out and do it. Don't sit around saying "what if", or making excuses. If you want it, just do it. It won't be the best decision for everyone, maybe not even most. But you never know unless you do it.

xhappy feetx · Oct 20, 2010, 07:36 PM // 19:36

I will throw this up on QQ forums just so people know whats going on.

i farm baddies · Oct 20, 2010, 08:08 PM // 20:08

as far as i know billiard would like kisu to come back (this was 1-2months ago).

*lemming* · Oct 20, 2010, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by Still Number One

The best way to get people to try to GvG is to hold a giant event. GvG needs another Guru Tournament/rawr tournament. And it needs to provide incentives to play. The rewards have to be enticing enough to grab people's attention and hopefully some guilds and players will have a good enough time that they will stick with it and do it more often, even if just casually.

Hosting another guru tourney solves many of the deterrents newer players have. For the most part they will face people of their own experience. The last tourney had a few guilds here and there sneak by the people setting up the leagues and trying to make sure no one snuck in a division that they were above, but for the most part, it was very well managed.

That's a valid point. However, the hostility from the PvE side of things seems to be a lot stronger now than it was two years ago. If some of that is diffused, perhaps more people will be interested.

Even in this thread, people have been complaining about intolerance and insularity, which I think is a shame considering what the thread is about. I just hope that it reaches through to enough people to make it worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by makosi

What puts me off is the mirror matches. GvG has become so refined to one team build (with minor midline variances).

I miss There Is Not Cow Level and that necro guild (forgot the name).

EditL Necro Raiders

Keep in mind that even NR ran nothing but eurospike by the time of the Winterfest tournament.

Wish Swiftdeath · Oct 20, 2010, 08:38 PM // 20:38

I loved GvG and would play for rank 200ish guilds at 4am in the morning with 250ish ping(I lived in HK). Ironically since I moved to college in the US I have a ping under 100 and the right timezone to play, however I no longer have time to play video games as much as I did back then. If GvG is still alive, id be willing to get into it again...over winter/summer break...

Nash Vegas · Oct 20, 2010, 08:53 PM // 20:53

I'd absolutely love to get into GvG again. Unfortunately, I have memories of 1-2 hour set up times for the old PvP guilds I was in. I just don't have time for that anymore. PvE allows me to do random little things for spurts at a time. 'high-end' PvP is too much time for too little result.

Act from QQforums · Oct 20, 2010, 09:08 PM // 21:08

I feel like one of the purposes for this thread is just to let people know that, if you want to GvG, and are put off by perceived problems, just know that there are tons of people like you.

If everyone who didn't want to gvg because of wait times just formed up and went, wait times wouldn't be too bad.

A year ago when I still played the worst part was just finding people to play. It's hard to just ask strangers to play with you, but if you have 4 (or anything more than 2 lol) just throw out PMs, and don't make people come until you've gotten 8 people to say yes. Then tell everyone to form up, and you should be good.

The QQ guest thread has hundreds of posts, those are all people who want to play, just like you guys do. Remember, we want this boom in activity to roll over into GW2, maintain the power of community!

xhappy feetx · Oct 20, 2010, 09:33 PM // 21:33

Just played a bunch of pug games on the ladder, had no problem getting matches within 2 minutes, I don't know if that had to do with the time of day etc, but it was good to see hopefully that carries into American hours.

dwchang · Oct 20, 2010, 10:09 PM // 22:09

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Originally Posted by xhappy feetx

Just played a bunch of pug games on the ladder, had no problem getting matches within 2 minutes, I don't know if that had to do with the time of day etc, but it was good to see hopefully that carries into American hours.

It doesn't. Or at least it hasn't this week. I've been curious and taken a look and most American-based ATs have either < 8 Guilds playing or none at all and it's canceled.

As for myself, there's a part of me that would like to play high-end GvG again, but it's too time consuming. I have fond memories of playing GvG for like 5 - 6 hours a day and fighting War Machine almost every night. I simply can't make that type of time commitment anymore. Let alone get our original core to make that commitment.

One thing PvE has going for it is that I can just pick it up and put it back down with little to know time invested. Oh well. We'll see if that "PvP itch" ever comes back I suppose...I do support this type of thread though and think it's a good gesture.

Meridon · Oct 20, 2010, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by fires element

don't expect to win? so why would someone do it if they didn't expect to win at least some of the time. how would that be the fun side of things? i guess you meant that it would be the fun side of things for you but not necessarily them.

In addition to the answer Ariena Najea has given, I'd like to clarify my own statement. When I help a PvE player get into GvG, many times I notice that the lack of instant success throws them off, and dulls their interest in the format. This, in my opinion is somewhat a result of the PvE mindset. They follow the exact same reasoning as you pointed out: why do it if I don't win, how is that fun?

The thing is, GvG is not about being the winner all the time. There always has to be a group of eight people winning, and an equal or bigger group of people losing. And since you're starting from the bottom as a PvE player, chances are small you'll end up winning. So why do people play it at all? It's because they enjoy playing at their best and still having a fun time while doing it. That, added with the fact that whenever you play a match, you'll get better regardless of the outcome, is very satisfying. It's not the game reward that counts to them, it's the game itself that is very rewarding.

All in all, the advice to all new GvG players is the same: try to not focus on winning. Try to focus on learning and growing as a player, and to have fun doing so. Much like life, isn't it?

Sierraa · Oct 20, 2010, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by The PvP Community

The obvious solution is to put yourself out there, rank doesnt matter to GvG players, they just want you to show willingness to learn from your mistakes, everyone makes mistakes, but if you correct them and make less and less each game then you will be accepted into the GvG community very easily.

^^^ This ^^^

People don't seem to understand that you have to try to get anywhere. You can't complain about not getting anywhere if you're not willing to put yourself out there and try it. PvP takes time and it will take you a while to learn from your mistakes and learn how to deal with all situations. Even top players make mistakes but they take note and move on.

PvPers are more than willing to help you assuming you're willing to learn and ask questions. GvG is fun once you can get through most of the learning stage. <3

cantalus · Oct 20, 2010, 10:59 PM // 22:59

this a very positive message, espcially considering the depressing nature of ha as far as i see it

i can't believe the gvg community is as bad as the ha community, which seems to be dominated by bwayers who only care about the next rank and flaming, though perhaps that's always been the case, though bb seems so seriously op to me, it seems odd that r9 bbway throws r13+ balanced out of hoh on a regular basis

and as said, rather depressing

Ka Tet · Oct 20, 2010, 11:15 PM // 23:15

One thing you may want to consider, that always sort of slowed down the guest process is that there is no designated area where you can go to look for guests or for the chance to guest. Maybe pick an asian district of RA and unofficially designate it as the default area to find guests or be guested.
Just my two cents.

Jbrown · Oct 20, 2010, 11:29 PM // 23:29

This is a great post.

One thing people are forgetting is that if even 20-30 guilds start gvging, that is 20-30 guilds all on the same level that will be playing against eachother. Ya, every now and then you will be fighting a more experienced guild but you can learn some great tactics from watching them.

Also, there is always a huge misconception that you need to learn EVERYTHING before you can play a single match. Thats completely false. Play, play, play. You will learn as you go. I know most players will hate and disagree but run some gay builds. Run hex overloads or rangers spikes or whatever. Learn the maps, learn the skills, work on your team work and communication. The more advanced stuff like weapon swapping, kiting, etc can come later. Learn the basics first, they will be the things that determine if you win or not.

Also, with this new Embark Beach, it could probably be used as a pug area for gvg as well.

Lanier · Oct 21, 2010, 12:01 AM // 00:01

I think the main problem (to me at least) is that high end PvP requires a lot of time. Several of us PvEers or low-end PvPers don't have the type of time that I see other people saying they put into GvG. I personally would love to GvG but

a. I wouldn't be willing to sacrifice the guild im in and the friends that iv made in it to find a gvg guild, and

b. I don't have the connections necessary for guesting GvGs. Besides, who would guest someone continuouslyfor a GvG that has very little experience and can't spend 2 hours a day getting said experience.

I don't know if this is the problem for other PvEers but these are certainly my problems.

Jbrown · Oct 21, 2010, 12:12 AM // 00:12

You don't have to find a gvg guild. Use the people in your guild to gvg with. You already know them and are friends, thats half the battle.

As for the connections, Hit B, watch a match, add names to friends list. When you are about to play, and see some of them on, pm them asking if they can come for a low level gvg, most people will come.

Most importantly, have fun.

mrmango · Oct 21, 2010, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by sixdartbart

First good post I've seen on guru in months.

A+ thread

ohhh almost forgot
/in before someone comes here to piss and moan about something!!!

I will pass on the message to my guild, I guess. Probably won't help much.

Pantaloon · Oct 21, 2010, 01:55 AM // 01:55

Go read a couple of Team Quitter threads. These are the people that make up what is mostly left of the PvP community. Not exactly people I want to associate myself with.

*lemming* · Oct 21, 2010, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by Pantaloon

Go read a couple of Team Quitter threads. These are the people that make up what is mostly left of the PvP community. Not exactly people I want to associate myself with.

That's about as reliable as judging all PvEers by the standards of the players documented in this thread.

Adflictatio · Oct 21, 2010, 02:10 AM // 02:10

I would love to Gvg and have been wanting to do it for months, its probably one of the only things I haven't tried. I was just worried that like almost every other part of the game where if you don't have a perfect build, perfect equipment, and 100+ hours of exp they just shun you.

But If someone has a guild that likes to GvG and doesn't mind teaching me the ropes I'd love to give it a shot.